I'm still DYING to know the real numbers behind the claims in the article though.
I've asked around amongst sources trusted to me most likely to be in the know and we still can't reconcile 100-150g's of flowers down to single figures of final yield as a commercially viable product given the final price on the shelf; the courier, distributor, and coffeeshop have all made their markup - surely the farmers are getting less than €3p/g (or per 100-150'gs of flowers + labour costs)???
Having said that - myself and my buddies aren't Moroccan farmers or CS owners, so we don't have an accurate picture of their profits and therefore don't have anything approaching a credible position on whether the numbers are 'correct' do we?
Can't help but wonder though
Props to AMS genetics for their input - nice to see a company engaging at grass roots level.
OHMF: also still maintain that the number is a little of, but do not agree that you would need double digit yields from a first sieve for it to be feasible as following siftings on the same material, that has already been prepared, pre-processed and transported to the sight of the processing. It is clear that the following reprocessing of the same feedstock does not incur the same unit cost as the previous and thus has a much higher profit margin improving the total economy of the operation.
this _is_ surely the way traditional moroccan manufacturers do it and have a hard time believing that they get much more than 10% on their 00 or 000 screens but don't know the specific numbers...
by this reasoning (which by the way is highly consistent with the way regular industries process and convert biomass feedstock, look up cascading in this context) we see no dichotomy between the statements and proven principles, as long as gene and buddies are willing to concede that they go the interest of good marketing may have exaggerated a bit and the yield might be twice or thrice as high as they originally claimed...
CopenhagenCouple wrote:OHMF: also still maintain that the number is a little of, but do not agree that you would need double digit yields from a first sieve for it to be feasible as following siftings on the same material, that has already been prepared, pre-processed and transported to the sight of the processing. It is clear that the following reprocessing of the same feedstock does not incur the same unit cost as the previous and thus has a much higher profit margin improving the total economy of the operation.
this _is_ surely the way traditional moroccan manufacturers do it and have a hard time believing that they get much more than 10% on their 00 or 000 screens but don't know the specific numbers...
by this reasoning (which by the way is highly consistent with the way regular industries process and convert biomass feedstock, look up cascading in this context) we see no dichotomy between the statements and proven principles, as long as gene and buddies are willing to concede that they go the interest of good marketing may have exaggerated a bit and the yield might be twice or thrice as high as they originally claimed...
F.Y.I: High quality hashish blocks(i.e. Tangerine G13 Block) are made from the trichomes of the very first sieving over the screen used in the manufacturing process. This is where the largest and purest trichomes are released, which are then further refined and pressed into these super high quality hashish blocks. There is also a secondary sieving carried out but this obviously delivers a secondary quality hashish block, as you are now left with much smaller trichomes with which to work with. A third and final sieving is carried out where by the trichomes from this sieving are generally used to manufacture a much more inferior and commercial product.
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Well, that makes sense...
...I'm kinda dumbfounded no one figured that out themselves... Even though we all watched that documentary with the guy honking his horn on the mountain... Duh!!
...I think you're all smoking too much wacky baccy!
...No idea what my excuse is?!
Sorry to digress just a little.
@KMC, took me a bit of searching to find the vid on youtube, is this it from 2002?
Whilst searching I came across this one from 1993, could be the prequel to later documentary, pretty sure its the same part of Ketama and the faces look familiar.
OneHighMofo wrote:I'm still DYING to know the real numbers behind the claims in the article though.
This
@Amsterdam genetics, the batches your smoking must be messing with your head if you are going to invite 4 people off a public forum to sample the newest batches, just crazy . My hat goes off to you but seriously.
And tbh no one is really doubting the product, just that 100-150g of flowers for a gram bit.
Amsterdam Genetics wrote:4. For a small number people on this forum, we have a surprise for you. We intend to invite 4 people from this forum to test the new Amsterdam Genetics Blocks in person. You will receive a personal invite over the coming days to come to Amsterdam and test the Blocks in person with someone on hand to answer any questions you have.
I got a invitation for their testing... did someone else got it already?
Yup, got one when it was announced, but very sadly had to pass as we can't go to ams at the given time... Jesscass got one too, but turned it down we think, would have loved to hear his review, glad to hear you got one, look forward to hearing your thoughts on the samples
Don't know who the fourth wast gave a very good set of arguments for an alternative or two to take our place, fingers still crossed!
This shoe seems to fit so I wear it. Above all don‘t care about their owner(s) or staff(or Dampkring II/Tweede Kamer involved too or fishing in similar waters).
Only there for picking up which I did the other week even though already figured out their lame customer approach. Nothing but excuses and promises(we have to believe because of the fact it‘s all illegal they just can‘t assure anything. So take the risk nonetheless as it‘s my decission but don‘t trust them at all. They make a living from it and also a lot of money.).
By the way no hate for anyone on this planet as just too unreflecting; dislike perhaps but for sure no
hate which is just an destructive emotion.
They took posters here for fools when they came up with their statement don‘t ask how its possible just enjoy that it is so this justifies what goes around comes around then, simple as that!
Sure they‘re not the reason for this crappy out of date tolerance policy but they‘re part of the problem. Again, major fail is they rest on unsound footing which again means no quality control or customer protection(still think that 70% of customers at coffeeshops don‘t care too much about quality and source in general but more concerned about prices. Also not much experience with growing and if so must grow really average gear when they rave about average gear apart from better grown hazes).
This also is just a mismatch!
Calculation is obvious as they most probably know about the hype about medical marijuana and dispensiaries. Sure as you put it fresh air is much needed and appreciate this in general apart from what was said above.
As told before don‘t forget coffeeshops are just random dealers. Just imagine you‘re in a foreign area looking for a smoke. Since you don‘t know anyone you have to make a street deal. Chances are high you get mediocre product and if you ask those guys about it they either lie to you or just have no clue or what ever. On the other hand people get mostly fooled by fancy interiors of coffeeshops but this is still just a dealer on the street.
Now just imagine all that isn‘t there like staff of the dealer, interior, building and all that, just this dealer with the merchandise(by the way a private connection is not that different as in my experience even trustworthy dealers I met over the years don‘t necessarily have a clue about their illegal wares and often just have longterm contacts since ages which again means fuck all as these ones are still business connections for profit!)
They claim this and that but if shit hits the fan(lets say wiet cut with something)they more or less get away with it while a legal business would be called to account so their promises mean shit just like a random street dealer.
The only difference is they‘re tolerated to sell their gear. No one should forget that, never.
Main reason – no matter which shops I was asked by – for refusal is that I don‘t want them to help make more money when telling them what certain people look for.
Selling drugs for profit isn‘t my idea of handling it for some reasons anyways. They should be available at cost price similar to spanish social clubs(they have a nice approach but when you look behind the scenes it‘s very similar to crappy dutch tolerance policy grown illegal and for profit; been there done that. Even though it‘s changing a bit at the minute but will be about money later anyway.). Roughly, won‘t go into detail here but this should be the case with every drug. whether because of addiction or recreation
(sure people generally should be of age and am by no means am a controll freak but when it comes to drugs it should to some point be regulated until the majority of people learnt how to handle it. Then there are other options. There will always be people not able to handle something but that‘s the way it is. Current policy on drugs worldwide is just phoney crap and people do suffer.) .
See, shortly after I was introduced to this drug we always bought in bulk together with friends to save a lot of money, hassle and getting often access to better gear. Who shares wins, all about sharing not lame profit.
Since I‘m buying on the black market in bulk I sometimes meet people in it only about the money which at their retail level is sad and ridiculous with their margins its just pocket money considering risk.
Not generally against dealers myself but prefering being independent but with hashish it‘s difficult. So then this lame compromise.
Again, improving the shady business of coffeeshops isn‘t my thing. Won‘t go into detail as everybody with half a brain can figure out what‘s going on behind the scenes, really.
So won‘t take a bow if any staff is on here as I know what to expect under those circumstances.
By the way do this chain support the legalize movement?
That would be a step into the right direction more or less. Can‘t imagine them or most of the others are really interested in legalization though(know at least one coffeeshop owner telling me he‘s very happy about current situation since he is making good money with tourists and certainly hopes nothing changes; appreciate honesty)as it would change everything for them them and they just would have swept away by industry jumping on the wagon then.
Another thing important is as said numerous times before I just love my independence and don‘t want to owe something to somebody. That‘s why don‘t want any special treatment when visiting shops or become a friend with owners. Subjectivity is biased enough, no need for more.
Some posters here remind me of those skint stereotypes everyone met at some point most probably. Those ones sitting at a dealers house kissing his ass and always looking for the next free hit while agreeing with everything this dealer states as they depend on him. Spineless to say the least.
Bottom line: this testing is just promotional event or do you guys really think they will talk about their 'secrets' while they don't talk about it here. Or do they do it so everybody participating has to sign a contract about shutting up about their secrets in advance?
It‘s about promoting their stuff while manipulating(read: serving them well) people. By the way what 'secret' by the way? They more or less only used new seedlines in opposite to original landrace while probably using better screens and technique but its still nothing new. It's about teasing you guys so you still talk about it.
In fact we‘re doing them a favour at the minute(promotion) discussing their new stuff this is just cheap marketing.
Same with the testing; bet they‘re very generous with their gear and pissing theirselves laughing how easy it is to manipulate customers(not friends)by just giving them something for free while they earn a hell of a lot of money and it doesn‘t hurt them not in the slightest(also look how people rave about 5€ discounts at coffeeshops for purchases of 5gs, so laughable).
Again, basic sale psychology at its best(happens over and over again with all sale departements, people fall for very simple discounts while a certain business only will make more profit. Similar thing is give the average worker his holiday of say twenty days and he‘ll happily slaves on for the rest of the year ; this is bearing no propotion as he still has to slave like 250 days a year. ).
Buisness as usual and it doesn‘t surprise me at all people don‘t question this as this reality we‘re all living in is already infiltraded by those business practises
all about profit(sure everybody needs to make a living and to some point all been said is phoney too but when it comes to drugs and some other things they just shouldn‘t be exploited for profit). Omnipresent to say the very least.
By the way they already placed their new approach well as now people even use this stupid 'bloc(k)' tag they created(which is also quite new as hashish before never came as slabs and so on); sure you have to distinguish for some reasons but
its ridiculous.
You guys almost act like this testing is changing anything in this coffeeshop scene while essentials like transparency and customer protection won‘t be touched, it‘s sort of selfish being just interested in the next strain or hashish as long as one‘s can consume it.
Boycotting this or any other coffeeshop doesn‘t solve the problem at all as there is still this dubious supply. Still strongly hope this coffeeshop thing will collapse in the near future for something better to come. It‘s time really.
No problem with them doing their business instead of lame excuses. Guys from the Rokerij and Hunters were better years ago as they just talked about their current menus but didn‘t try to explain their wares.
There are probably enthusiasts involved in the Boerejongens chain but this doesn‘t mean much under current policy.
By the way just realised haven‘t commented this article from Hightimes: those type of magazines lack critizm a lot, especially when it comes to wares of companies inserting an advertisement. Go figure. That‘s their idea of independence but hey it‘s just the way it is as life goes on and most important thing is one can consume something, innit?
@OneHighMoFo
See your point but can assure you no problem at all discussing this with them face to face. People sort of kneeling down in front of those business men either because they want to play in the same league, they‘re simply selfish respectively ignorant or they‘re well behaved citizen rarely question anything in their life.
Pressures? Where is any problem talking about harvests in Morocco? Don‘t get that. This was what this thread is mainly about and you are very intested to know it yourself. So where is the problem? Do they fear their competitors? Do they indeed press those hashes in the Netherlands(that would be a reason then)? Question upon question while still nothing is clear but they at least advertized here(look at their posts).
@local Duo Skint
Its funny how once sceptical minds regarding Amsterdam Genetics magically change when they offer something for free. Seems you guys will do a great job then with the testing; while complementing each other well. Wonder myself if I‘d be like that if I‘d be skint and/or unemployed or being a bitter factory worker(or some other disliked labour) rarely being sober even during labour. While I dream of getting rich by selling homegrown to people on holiday in the Dam(would only take me a thousand years of same shit every day. It‘s all about patience people say. Or Karma.).
Think am not that desperate nor spineless and certainly am not up for sale. Nothing to do with being skint(which is nothing wrong as this world offers so much more than boring chase after money)but being weak in character. Sad but each to their own I guess though. Sorry, but couldn‘t resist.
See your point but can assure you no problem at all discussing this with them face to face. People sort of kneeling down in front of those business men either because they want to play in the same league, they‘re simply selfish respectively ignorant or they‘re well behaved citizen rarely question anything in their life.
Pressures? Where is any problem talking about harvests in Morocco? Don‘t get that. This was what this thread is mainly about and you are very intested to know it yourself. So where is the problem? Do they fear their competitors? Do they indeed press those hashes in the Netherlands(that would be a reason then)? Question upon question while still nothing is clear but they at least advertized here(look at their posts).
I'm not sure what your question is J? My point was that any opinion I (or others) may hold on the subject of Boereojongens - or Moroccan Farmers profit margins / production methods is largely conjecture. Therefore not worth forming an opinion about one way or the other.
If I understand your frustration properly - it seems you're of the opinion that that Amsterdam Genetics arrival here on the forum is purely cynical marketing? An attempt to placate the nay-sayers without adding any real substance? Have I got that right? If not - apologies.
I do see why someone might draw that conclusion; it's often difficult to accept any kind of PR as anything other than a sales pitch played out over the long-game (and one may indeed be correct). However; on the other side of the equation - I also think that there's no real need for any coffeeshop organisation to engage directly with its critics; simply because their product will fly off the shelves regardless of actual quality. So any effort made on their part to engage in conversation with their consumer should be applauded as beyond the current call of duty. Perhaps that's a sad fact of consumerism, but for that reason alone - I feel it's worth being thankful to AG for their input.
I also understand the reasons why they, or any company might want to retain some privacy regarding profit margins. They're not a PLC so why shouldn't they keep their competitive advantages under-wraps? They have to work within the same capitalist framework as everyone else for better or worse - with the added pressure of prohibition and all the other nonsense that comes alongside organised 'crime'; a framework that doesn't exactly inspire transparency. So to some degree - although I would indeed love to know the real story behind the numbers - I don't personally feel that such information being withheld is particularly offensive or extraordinary. Truth be known - I'd probably react much in the same way to similar questions about my business and its profit margins. #rollseyesDLN16 #fuckingbritishreserve
. My hat goes off to you but seriously.
Jesscass got one too, but turned it down we think, would have loved to hear his review, glad to hear you got one, look forward to hearing your thoughts on the samples 
