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AzLaker wrote: ↑Thu 23rd Jul 2020 10:42 pmYour not serious are you guys? I agree 100% what you say about Tdump, but every time he opens his mouth, he loses more votes. And he does that on a daily bases. The silent majority might be big in your opinion (they're not), but if this country has got half a brain they'll vote for Biden.

You're making the same mistake millions made four years ago ie assuming everyone knows what an arsehole he is and he's got no chance of winning. Much as I find Boat Drinks's views unpalatable, I fear he's right. Trump probably will win again. It won't be a landslide, it will be close just like it was last time (although Trump's brainwashed followers would never admit that). But don't fall into the same trap of thinking people have changed their minds - every Trump supporter I know likes him even more now than they did in 2016. None of them have changed their minds.

You need to realise what the motivation is for most of his supporters: spite. The more he annoys people they don't like ("the liberals") the more they like him. They know he's a lunatic. But they don't care because he "owns the libs". In a nutshell Trump is revenge for Obama. Huge swathes of the USA (ie those in the boonies with shooters who are convinced to this day that "the commies are coming to get us") were seriously fucking pissed off that a black man got elected into the White House. Trump is their payback. And the more egregious his behaviour gets, the more they like him.

Boat Drinks wrote: ↑Fri 24th Jul 2020 04:06 pm 63% of American are afraid to voice an opinion about politics because some leftist scumbag will retaliate with violence or social doxxing and threats.

100% of Trump supporters believe polls that tell them what they want to hear. All other polls are 'fake news'.

free_phil_spector wrote: ↑Fri 24th Jul 2020 08:41 pm [quote=AzLaker post_id=427137 time=<a href="tel:1595540569">1595540569</a> user_id=88]Your not serious are you guys? I agree 100% what you say about Tdump, but every time he opens his mouth, he loses more votes. And he does that on a daily bases. The silent majority might be big in your opinion (they're not), but if this country has got half a brain they'll vote for Biden.

You're making the same mistake millions made four years ago ie assuming everyone knows what an arsehole he is and he's got no chance of winning. Much as I find Boat Drinks's views unpalatable, I fear he's right. Trump probably will win again. It won't be a landslide, it will be close just like it was last time (although Trump's brainwashed followers would never admit that). But don't fall into the same trap of thinking people have changed their minds - every Trump supporter I know likes him even more now than they did in 2016. None of them have changed their minds.

You need to realise what the motivation is for most of his supporters: spite. The more he annoys people they don't like ("the liberals") the more they like him. They know he's a lunatic. But they don't care because he "owns the libs". In a nutshell Trump is revenge for Obama. Huge swathes of the USA (ie those in the boonies with shooters who are convinced to this day that "the commies are coming to get us") were seriously fucking pissed off that a black man got elected into the White House. Trump is their payback. And the more egregious his behaviour gets, the more they like him.
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That’s 2016 maybe, or campaign to slay Hillary worked . The base is the same base that where Tea party and Bush supporters .
There is no liberals in Democratic Party there 1980 republicans not sure where there going next ? My spider senses tell me Americans are ready for no drama Obama back ...the orange mans act is getting old

free_phil_spector wrote: ↑Fri 24th Jul 2020 08:41 pm

AzLaker wrote: ↑Thu 23rd Jul 2020 10:42 pmYour not serious are you guys? I agree 100% what you say about Tdump, but every time he opens his mouth, he loses more votes. And he does that on a daily bases. The silent majority might be big in your opinion (they're not), but if this country has got half a brain they'll vote for Biden.

You're making the same mistake millions made four years ago ie assuming everyone knows what an arsehole he is and he's got no chance of winning. Much as I find Boat Drinks's views unpalatable, I fear he's right. Trump probably will win again. It won't be a landslide, it will be close just like it was last time (although Trump's brainwashed followers would never admit that). But don't fall into the same trap of thinking people have changed their minds - every Trump supporter I know likes him even more now than they did in 2016. None of them have changed their minds.

You need to realise what the motivation is for most of his supporters: spite. The more he annoys people they don't like ("the liberals") the more they like him. They know he's a lunatic. But they don't care because he "owns the libs". In a nutshell Trump is revenge for Obama. Huge swathes of the USA (ie those in the boonies with shooters who are convinced to this day that "the commies are coming to get us") were seriously fucking pissed off that a black man got elected into the White House. Trump is their payback. And the more egregious his behaviour gets, the more they like him.

f_p_s I can agree with what your saying about the Tdump supporters in 2016. He had a lot of people conned then, but don't you think a vast majority of them have finally woke up and smelled the coffee? I can't believe this country is so dumbed down. If so, we are in trouble.

Now, am I going to jump up and down if Biden gets elected...No, but the Republicans' will probably still control the senate and they won't let him get much accomplished. At least Biden doesn't have a BIG I in the middle of his forehead like our president does now. If Biden does, he's covering it up well.

My biggest complaint is, I don't want the whole world to think we're ALL like our president.
Most of care about each other and support each other. This country is a melting pot of many different people and many different ideas. We need to listen to each other and work together to make things better for EVERYONE!! Not just a few.

AzLaker

Mackys Post:
'That’s 2016 maybe, or campaign to slay Hillary worked . The base is the same base that where Tea party and Bush supporters .
There is no liberals in Democratic Party there 1980 republicans not sure where there going next ? My spider senses tell me Americans are ready for no drama Obama back ...the orange mans act is getting old



AzLaker

macky wrote: ↑Fri 24th Jul 2020 10:01 pmThat’s 2016 maybe, or campaign to slay Hillary worked . The base is the same base that where Tea party and Bush supporters .
There is no liberals in Democratic Party there 1980 republicans not sure where there going next ? My spider senses tell me Americans are ready for no drama Obama back ...the orange mans act is getting old

I hope and pray your're right but I think you're wrong. The Dems need a new Obama and Biden aint it. They've made the same mistake as the Labour party over here made in the 2019 election - assuming that the other guy is such an irredeemable shithead that people will vote for anyone other than him. Even if it's someone as hopelessly unelectable as Jeremy Corbyn. Well we saw how that worked out. They got fucking thrashed. And I fear the same will happen to you guys in November. Biden is no match for someone like Trump. He's a crusty old guy who could be dead in four years time. They need someone younger and dynamic. They've made a major mistake if they pick him to run. Every time Trump tweets calling him "Sleepy Joe Biden" I find myself agreeing with him. And I hate that c**t. So imagine what his supporters think?

AzLaker wrote: ↑Fri 24th Jul 2020 10:28 pmf_p_s I can agree with what your saying about the Tdump supporters in 2016. He had a lot of people conned then, but don't you think a vast majority of them have finally woke up and smelled the coffee?

No I don't. Sadly I think very few of them have changed their minds. Certainly not enough to swing the vote. Look at who you're dealing with: most of them are spiteful, insular, unpleasant people who's number one concern in life is to preserve their right to own a firearm. They dont give a fuck about social injustice, universal healthcare or black people being murdered by the police. And Trump is their figurehead. They're not gonna change their minds, especially not for someone like Biden.

AzLaker wrote: ↑Fri 24th Jul 2020 10:28 pmMy biggest complaint is, I don't want the whole world to think we're ALL like our president.

We don't. But sadly, like us over here in the UK, until you guys wake up and realise what you're dealing with (a large and growing number of people who are being pushed into extreme right wing thinking because they feel frightened and under threat from "the liberals") you're gonna be stuck with him.

Think your wrong Phil his base is getting so small and some states have Democrat governors in swing states that where republicans .Not sure what you know about how it works ,but that’s huge
Faith he will pick Rice or someone who knows her shit . Read Miss Cortes speech from the house on sexism she gave this week .
They make her to be a liberal boogey man ....I say there’s hope for that country yet

AzLaker wrote: ↑Fri 24th Jul 2020 10:28 pmThis country is a melting pot of many different people and many different ideas.

Which is precisely what Trump supporters hate. Until we understand that and come up with a strategy to combat those ways of thinking, blowhards like Trump (and Boris) will keep getting into power.

macky wrote: ↑Fri 24th Jul 2020 11:50 pm Think your wrong Phil his base is getting so small and some states have Democrat governors in swing states that where republicans .Not sure what you know about how it works ,but that’s huge
Faith he will pick Rice or someone who knows her shit . Read Miss Cortes speech from the house on sexism she gave this week .
They make her to be a liberal boogey man ....I say there’s hope for that country yet

I hope I am wrong but again you're falling into the trap of thinking Trump supporters care. They don't care about running mates. They don't care about policies. They certainly dont care about nuance, subtlety or political machinations. You think all those hilllbillies in trailer parks who spend Sunday nights cleaning their firearms and secretly fantasising about shooting people give a flying fuck who someone's running mate is? Trump appeals to them because he understands this. He tells them what they want to hear ('make america great again') - and that's all they care about.

Again Phil I think the never Trumpers in Republican Party are winning argument .I say this because house Republicans and republicans in general are preparing for the world after Trump . The Liz Chaney attack are the freedom caucus (pinheads) waking up to the fact there days are numbered in the republican leadership...good riddens to bad rubbish

macky wrote: ↑Sat 25th Jul 2020 01:22 am Again Phil I think the never Trumpers in Republican Party are winning argument

Agreed. This could be the one thing that saves them - killing the beast from within. But anyone thinking his base will turn on him is in for another 2016-style shock IMO.

free_phil_spector wrote: ↑Sat 25th Jul 2020 02:36 am

macky wrote: ↑Sat 25th Jul 2020 01:22 am Again Phil I think the never Trumpers in Republican Party are winning argument

Agreed. This could be the one thing that saves them - killing the beast from within. But anyone thinking his base will turn on him is in for another 2016-style shock IMO.

Hello free_phil_spector welcome to the conversation, I do hope Mackey is right and you are wrong, but it’s fun having this conversation here on an Amsterdam Coffee Shop page started by Ed the Head with a guy from Canada and the U.K. that seem to understand our political process

Have fun hope to see you guys in 2022

Swear it seems like some people (on the outside) just wanna see this cunt win, so they can point and laugh, schadenfreude and such...

Well as I said, pray the fuck he doesn't because the ripples of what will follow will be felt extensively the world over.

First they came for the yanks, and we said nothing...

Oh and that Boats asshole can get fucked with his Breitbart bullshit.

This thread is fucking cancer

Have a fucked day everyone

macky wrote: ↑Fri 24th Jul 2020 10:01 pm There is no liberals in Democratic Party there 1980 republicans not sure where there going next ?

100% True! "The Left" are no more Liberal than "The Right" are Conservative... Ignorance has muddied the waters to such a degree that the word Liberal itself is becoming an insult to some...

The Democratic party in the US are Centre Right, and have been since the 80's... Pro-War, anti-abortionist, god-botherers on both sides, trying to score points rather than form policy, and continue to divide the people...

...The people seem happy with this state of affairs.

The US is Fucked since it has allowed the one thing people could respect about them to be abused (the Constitution), and the "Patriots" only seem to care about that if it supports their side, i.e. We can march on city hall with guns to demand an end to lock-down, but peaceful protests about police brutality can be met with hellfire, since one or two of them smashed glass and did some graffiti?!?!

Life, Liberty and Freedom, My Arse!!!

Unfortunately, my own country has been affected by US propaganda due to the prevalence of Facefook and twatter, and we now have Pro-Trump, Flat-Earth, Anti-Vaxx, Qanon shite popping up over here, mostly in highly uneducated communities, but occasionally people with some underlying psychological issues get caught up in it and it can cause huge issues for people and their families.

The governments have won... The masses are under control.

Fuck, i was going to ignore this shit, but i just couldn't....

Sick of Liberals getting the blame... We're still the majority, you know... And i was silent, up until now!

...But, anyway;

....Just thought i'd post this to help some whose definitions are a little confused!

liberal /ˈlɪb(ə)r(ə)l/

1. willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
"liberal views towards divorce"

2.(of education) concerned with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.
"the provision of liberal adult education"