Cali & Co – What’s Behind the Hype?

[macky]

25 euros a gram not bad , that’s crazy ,w hat makes you think it’s not Cali strains grown in EU some where? Only thing different from one indoor grow room from another is geography .
Cali outdoor is not what your getting in the dam ,if you go to Northern California you soon learn the difference . The whole thing is marketing .

[Kimble]

Tell me honestly: Did you actually read the 3,000 words of my analysis or just the price tag? Because if you had, you’d realize that my point wasn't about geography, but about the industrial madness behind it. I know, spending €35 on a gram sounds like a case for a psychiatrist to some, but bear with me while I explain why the "it’s all just marketing" argument is a bit like saying a Ferrari and a Lada are the same because they both have four wheels.

Even with the recent state-regulated "experiment" in Holland, we are talking about mass production designed for broad availability and low price points—not for high-stakes craft where someone hunts 10 standout phenotypes out of 400 plants.

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The professionals producing for the mass market or even the pharmaceutical industry focus on consistency and cost-efficiency, which is a completely different world from the craft scene. It’s the difference between a freshly pulled Blue Mountain espresso and a cheap cup of bulk coffee from an 8-liter bottle; both get you through the day, but they are made for entirely different target audiences. In Amsterdam, the illegal "backdoor" is still the reality, and as long as a project can be shredded by the police tomorrow, no sane entrepreneur will invest the millions into R&D.


So, if someone’s ritual involves crumbling tobacco into their herb and setting the whole thing on fire, I totally agree—don't spend the money. It’s like putting a massive glob of ketchup on a dry-aged Wagyu steak. You can do it, but don't blame the steak when it ends up tasting like a regular burger. These flowers are engineered for those of us using BallVapes to explore terpene profiles that standard "Amnesia" simply doesn't possess. If you just want to get from A to B as cheaply as possible, the Lada is a fine choice, but please don't tell the Ferrari drivers they’re just victims of a shiny brochure.

[HARRYO]

Excellent read! Thanks @Kimble

Very accurate about the UK history. Although, experiences slightly vary, esp if you were in the right circles back then.

I think the issues arise when not everyone has access to the 'legit' Cali packs. Once you’ve been duped a couple times, I think you lose confidence and then just cant justfy the price in your head.

Those that have had access to the real deal in UK, will know the difference, clearly.

Sadly i saw some fake TerpHogs rosin the other day, repackaged. Stank of solvent.
Same with the countless cali vapes floating about.

I think it’s still about access but this will change slowly.

[RoMoney]

Great thread, every if I think some people are living in the clouds.

When I first joined the Spanish cannabis clubs (Jan 2018) they were selling lots of new US strains (grown in Spain) that you could not get in the Netherlands, generally speaking. The massive allure of these strains was their incredibly high THC content compared to strains available in the Netherlands. The US grown "Cali" was always better than Spanish grown as the buds were denser and harder and everyone accepted that this was due to PGRs.

During 2019, I consumed a lot of flower from mainland UK acquired through people at a Cannabis Club in Northern Ireland and a lot of this could easily have passed for Cali as it was all dense "PGR buds".

Based on that I think the advantage big cannabis have in legal markets is that they are creating higher and higher THC genetics which arent available on the general market until a few years later. So the Ferrari just has newer technology, its not that the build is any better per se than a Volkswagen Golf.

This is just my opinion, dont take it too seriously

[KeyMonCha]

So the Ferrari just has newer technology, its not that the build is any better per se than a Volkswagen Golf.

Christ, that's true... The problem being, I maybe preferred the mark 3 Golf...

...been trying to find a "new" one for years!

[RoMoney]

So the Ferrari just has newer technology, its not that the build is any better per se than a Volkswagen Golf.

Christ, that's true... The problem being, I maybe preferred the mark 3 Golf...

...been trying to find a "new" one for years!

Yeah I get that, some of the new higher THC hybrid strains are overwhelming, they hit you from all angles. Still dont understand why they sell THC weed and CBD weed but not balanced varities like Harlequin, Cannatonic, Critical Mass CBD etc. Spanish Cannabis Clubs and Dutch coffeeshops fail in this area, not sure if the situation is different in the North American market? Maybe they have that variety.

[KeyMonCha]

Still dont understand why they sell THC weed and CBD weed but not balanced varities like Harlequin, Cannatonic, Critical Mass CBD etc. .

Precisely... Along with that goes most of the terps, too! It's like living in a world of only Heineken and vodka, but I'm craving an amaretto and coke.

[kalima]

These prices seem crazy but I’m gonna try a gram of Tenco and post my experiences. All the places you mentioned for Live Rosin also carry Tenco?

you might want to check out ten co post about there only being 3 shops that they say they sell to in holland, from what I remember it was New York in Rotterdam, drew is sharing and one other, but not green place, and there were lots of people saying that would explain why there 180 euro pots were shit... not sure of all in in's and outs but do check it out