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now this is as 'rumour-mill-ish' as it comes.

but...

i overheard on the radio, that the annual road saftey review thingy is coming out from the governmet in the next couple of months...

included amongst other things was the possibility of introducing drug driving limits.

drug driving limits, or more precisley the lack of them, are something that go hand in hand with prohibition.

take alcohol. its legal, and so there has to be a specific legal amount that you can drive on.

take cannabis. its illegal, so no specific guidlines are given to how much of it will impare your driving. a spliff in your system from a week ago, is as illegal as a spliff from an hour ago....

the introdction of a drug driving limit would be a step in the right direction towards the end of prohibition. it would define the difference between someone who had a spliff last week and some one who had one an hour ago..... which in turn would grow accpetance that it is ok to have had a spliff last week....

whilst im on the ramble.... what are the weed driving laws in holland?

how is it tested, are there road side test, like for alcohol?

Or its just another way to bust stoners. It wont be anywhere near legal for years, theyll keep it class b for as long as labour are in power to make it look like they created a good law. Even if the conservative goverment got in they wouldnt change it.

One technique old bill use is to get them to focus on your finger, then move it closer to your nose. Apprently when your stoned you can keep your eyes cross eyed for long, so i heard. This could however be bullshit.

Dont know about Holland but when i passed my test @ 17 nearly 18 and got my first car. The first night out in it after getting my insurance sorted i got stopped by the old bill In my possesion was my half of weed and i was gutted.
Down the cells, strip search, took my car to bits including cutting holes in my seat backs and to top it all off a blood test (Still got my sample ).
Now taking into account i was smoking a good half a week by then i was shitting it. Doctor comes to take the blood and asks if i had any recently of course i reels off what i had consumed over the last few days to his amusment. As i had just passed my test and got a car over the last few days i had been wasted. I had been popping pills, and acid with quantitys of bud . He turns to me and informs me "dont worry you will be okay"
Couple of weeks on bail i received a letter telling me all was okay
This was back in 1993 and is probably one of only 3 things that stick in my head from my life. I can even remember the arresting coppers name (It haunts me)
Dont know why or how but i would think testing has come a long way since then so dont try this @ home

Sir Niall of Essex-sire wrote:Or its just another way to bust stoners.

Agreed, thc stays in your system for approx 4 weeks so I can see the government saying anyone caught driving with any thc in their system is breaking the law and stick us with a £60 fine and 3 points.

Boner wrote:Agreed, thc stays in your system for approx 4 weeks so I can see the government saying anyone caught driving with any thc in their system is breaking the law and stick us with a £60 fine and 3 points.

i see your side too.

but for arguments sake, isnt what you describe what the system is already. as theres no official limit, so some particularly vigilant coppers could see you done for drug driving simply for testing positive to thc, no matter how small the reading.

introducing a limit would recognise cannabis use, in the same way as legal intoxicants, which is a step in the right direction.

im being optimistic here i think.

CHELSEA_SMOKERS_SOCIETY wrote:

Boner wrote:Agreed, thc stays in your system for approx 4 weeks so I can see the government saying anyone caught driving with any thc in their system is breaking the law and stick us with a £60 fine and 3 points.

i see your side too.

but for arguments sake, isnt what you describe what the system is already. as theres no official limit, so some particularly vigilant coppers could see you done for drug driving simply for testing positive to thc, no matter how small the reading.

introducing a limit would recognise cannabis use, in the same way as legal intoxicants, which is a step in the right direction.

im being optimistic here i think.

Nothing wrong with optimism.

As far as testing now is concerned I dont think that they do it unless you've been involved in a serious accident, I got pulled for a routine stop-check once and was carrying a few grams of hash, they cautioned me for posession but not once was there ever a suggestion that they'd do me for drug driving.

Boner wrote:

CHELSEA_SMOKERS_SOCIETY wrote:

Boner wrote:Agreed, thc stays in your system for approx 4 weeks so I can see the government saying anyone caught driving with any thc in their system is breaking the law and stick us with a £60 fine and 3 points.

i see your side too.

but for arguments sake, isnt what you describe what the system is already. as theres no official limit, so some particularly vigilant coppers could see you done for drug driving simply for testing positive to thc, no matter how small the reading.

introducing a limit would recognise cannabis use, in the same way as legal intoxicants, which is a step in the right direction.

im being optimistic here i think.

Nothing wrong with optimism.

As far as testing now is concerned I dont think that they do it unless you've been involved in a serious accident, I got pulled for a routine stop-check once and was carrying a few grams of hash, they cautioned me for possession but not once was there ever a suggestion that they'd do me for drug driving.

Yes, but IF they did introduce some kind of limit:
1) Is it possible to measure THC levels in the system as a diminishing amount as with alcohol?
2) Would this then allow the authorities to be able to carry out this test based on 'reasonable' suspicion, as it is with alcohol? And if so, would a reading of THC in the system, that was say, 2 weeks old, be damning?

Something good to come from our useless government?

I seriously doubt it. The odds aren't really stacked in their favour.

There needs to be a certain amount of objectivity applied to this situation. I don't think our government have it in them.

Every body knows diving while pissed is dangerous, but what about other drugs? Caffeine and nicotine are both poisonous stimulants? Why is it ok to drive on everyday levels of these chemicals, yet driving under the influence of cocaine and speed will automatically be classed as dangerous.

As for marijuana and driving, I'll refer you to this thread. You can draw your own conclusions.

https://www.coffeeshopdirect.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7996[/quote]

Because caffine and nicotine dont distort perception and judgement as much as booze and bud, at least not in the amounts a usual person would use.

Driving under the influence of anything is dangerous, its not your life your putting at risk its others as well. If someone crashed into me and put my loved ones in danger by driving under the influence of something it equal the same kicking no matter whether it was a joint or a few pints that fucked their judgement.

Sorry to be blunt but ive seen and experienced this shit alot, driving is a responsibitly not a right, a car is a lethel weapon, show respect to others by making sure your in the right frame of mind when you use it.

Sir Niall of Essex-sire wrote:Because caffine and nicotine dont distort perception and judgement as much as booze and bud, at least not in the amounts a usual person would use.

Driving under the influence of anything is dangerous, its not your life your putting at risk its others as well. If someone crashed into me and put my loved ones in danger by driving under the influence of something it equal the same kicking no matter whether it was a joint or a few pints that fucked their judgement.

Sorry to be blunt but ive seen and experienced this shit alot, driving is a responsibitly not a right, a car is a lethel weapon, show respect to others by making sure your in the right frame of mind when you use it.

Not taking the piss but are you the copper that nicked me

Kermit wrote:

Sir Niall of Essex-sire wrote:Because caffine and nicotine dont distort perception and judgement as much as booze and bud, at least not in the amounts a usual person would use.

Driving under the influence of anything is dangerous, its not your life your putting at risk its others as well. If someone crashed into me and put my loved ones in danger by driving under the influence of something it equal the same kicking no matter whether it was a joint or a few pints that fucked their judgement.

Sorry to be blunt but ive seen and experienced this shit alot, driving is a responsibitly not a right, a car is a lethel weapon, show respect to others by making sure your in the right frame of mind when you use it.

Not taking the piss but are you the copper that nicked me

Crap.............cover busted.