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Jesscass wrote:Can't really imagine there are lots of fields in the Rif only dedicated to a couple of strains, just think about open pollination and stuff. As others pointed out there are definiteIy new strains and genetics around but I don't think it's strictly separated from other fields.

You're spot on Jess. It's impossible to ensure pure-bred genetics in singular fields in places like the Rif - cross-pollination across distances of 5KM or more is a now a well documented and ratified botanical observation.

Jesscass wrote:
Can't really imagine there are lots of fields in the Rif only dedicated to a couple of strains, just think about open pollination and stuff. As others pointed out there are definiteIy new strains and genetics around but I don't think it's strictly separated from other fields.



You're spot on Jess. It's impossible to ensure pure-bred genetics in singular fields in places like the Rif - cross-pollination across distances of 5KM or more is a now a well documented and ratified botanical observation.

One can start from fresh seed every year....cross pollination only has influence on the next generation offspring....

Wilbur wrote:
One can start from fresh seed every year....cross pollination only has influence on the next generation offspring....

Good point - it would be an expensive ongoing endeavour though eh? I wonder if the AMS seed companies are sending on hundreds of seeds every season? I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility

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Wilbur wrote:
One can start from fresh seed every year....cross pollination only has influence on the next generation offspring....

Good point - it would be an expensive ongoing endeavour though eh? I wonder if the AMS seed companies are sending on hundreds of seeds every season? I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility[/quote]

@Wilbur

True, but don't forget all these new strains(Candy Cush or Super Lemon Haze for example) are not stable seedlines so lots of phenotypes and as said before too I don't think those farmers work with clones which would guarantee a certain flavour.

@OneHighMoFo

Thousands of seeds requiered. Just a thought!

Fasteddie had article on this last week.Number of plants under production down year after year. But number of tons of hash the same or growing . Do to clones ,new strains and the biggest reason irrigation lines to each plant.With the upheavel in Libia organized gangs have taken over there production ....good luck figuring witch hash comes from where

Jesscass wrote: True, but don't forget all these new strains(Candy Cush or Super Lemon Haze for example) are not stable seedlines so lots of phenotypes and as said before too I don't think those farmers work with clones which would guarantee a certain flavour.

Thousands of seeds requiered. Just a thought!

Indeed - I'd doubt very much that taste across batches is consistent on these new 'Block' hashes anyway - the genetic drift in landrace strain made hash is obvious from batch to batch on just about everything 'import' I've bought consistently over the years.

Personally I find it quite plausible that for instance Amsterdam Genetics (or any of the other seedbanks) could provide the seeds required and have batches planted on different 'commisioned' fields in Morocco (for instance their "White Choco" strain resulting in the White Choco block). A kilo of seeds is easily grown with well pollinated fems. Though indeed a few "phenos" might sprout from each batch of seeds it would not affect the labeling of the resulting grow (neither does it when sold in the shops...). Over the past 20 years Morocco have moved from their native "Kif" landrace strain, which was a short bread quite low yielding variety, to more lucrative varieties (initially mostly Afghan strains, later dutch designer hybrids) to shorten their growing season and pump up the revenue (both quantity and quality wise). So it's a practice already in full swing for a while, now just adapting a marketing "designer" image to suit today's taste. Up until the mid-eighties Moroccan hash was the 1st choice smoke in Europe. With the birth of the engineerd strains (White Widow...) Morocco lost a lot of income (think nowadays in the shops less the 5 % sold will be hash, not counting local varieties). It only figures they had to re-think their strategises in order to survive in a tough market.

Agreed - it's certainly plausible. And I don't think those farmers are particularly insistent on consistency of flavour so whatever phenotypic variation is expressed by their crop is going to end up in the final product.

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Postby OneHighMofo » Fri 11th Mar 2016 02:52 pm
Agreed - it's certainly plausible. And I don't think those farmers are particularly insistent on consistency of flavour so whatever phenotypic variation is expressed by their crop is going to end up in the final product.

Consistency of flavor is certainly not the 1st priority.. Look at it from an angle like with the wine industry... batches of the same wine will be differing from year to year. Charateristics of the batch is more important then specific flavor aspects, the alternative being soulless blends in order to attain a "brand" taste.

@Wilbur

All you wrote is true again and as said it's all plausible but stupid dutch tolerance policy is unregulated so lots of mislabelling is going on anyway, especially for marketing reasons. Fancy names attract more customers. As said I think there might be exclusive crops dedicated to one single strain around but mostly they mix different crops of what ever foreign genetics. Just a theory again: those batches of 'Gardella'(sp, means 'mix' in Arabic)either consist of resin from the local landrace and foreign genetics or different foreign genetics mixed together. A couple of years back it was named like that at coffeeshops and today they use strain names. Not to forget: they get their moroccan hashish dirt cheap in whole sale so they can play around a little to get even more profit.

When it comes to classic moroccan landrace I have to say it's quiete sad it will disappear in the future. Yes paki/afghan landraces introduced there yield better and are stronger in effect with their own taste but moroccan landrace is unique and tradition. Also moroccan landrace is acclimated since a long time and for example this afghan seedline is not. So maybe it's not grown to its full potential(like in Afghanistan). Again no machine breaker here and I appreciate new stuff but would like to see several seedlines grown there. More or less not possible due to open pollination, unregulated illegal business and all above it's all about profit at the end! Sadly it's a poor and exploited country too and those farmers have to earn something for a living.

Loss of heritage is a loss for humanity, nevertheless globalisation is a fact

Im so glad that I got some Maroc Inspiration Seeds in my fridge. I won't lose it

I was there a week ago to finally get some of this Candy Kush Hash

again it was temp. sold out lol but the very friendly dealer told me that they got new in 15 minutes

In the meantime I tried their Critical Hash (12€/g) I saw on on their Instagram account before. Very oily sticky dark hash... completely different than the Critical hash from Betty too (15€/g) wich is not dark and sticky more a crumbly hash.
The Critical from 1e Hulp is pretty strong especially for the price also the smell/taste is good I liked it.

Candy Kush Hash 14€/g - from look it reminds me of the Chocolope Bloc from Boerejongens. Not dark and soft but crumbly nice smelling hash... Completely white ash when smoking it... but I would say I got another batch than in the pictures I saw in the past here. Taste and effect were nice but maybe I expected a little bit more for 14€/g

Black Berry Kush! https://www.instagram.com/p/BDLWqlBqWph/

Looking NICE!

yeah that looks nice hopefully they don´t show it only on Instagram and sell it in the shop

by the way smoked some more of the Kandy Kush hash today and like it more and more. Nice taste potent and worth the money I would say the first Bong hits (smoked it only in Bong) I smoked in Amsterdam didn´t impressed me so much... smoked it today and liked it very much