Obama's Department of Justice Prosecution of Medical Marijua

[tastywaves]

No I wasn't confused by his skin because to me its just a color and anyone could do a better job than the (warlord) Bush every did and how I knew was that I was living in Texas when he was the governor of that state before becoming the President and he screwed that state up bad so I moved out of the state and never looked back again.
Peace.

[DC]

That's the thing though, they're never the right person for the job...just the best of a bad bunch. By the time this eventually stops, I don't think there'll be much left over for that right person to do much with.

Sad, but true.....

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men." John Dalberg-Acton

[Puffin13]

Yea moaning or crying to be treated as equal people to everyone else is such a bad thing, in fact why has anyone else who ever treated different to anybody else over a pre-determined aspect of themselves ever moaned. Wouldnt it be great if we went back to the days of slaverly and when you could be killed for being a homosexual. As long we had a joint without being hassled it would all be fine....

Are you seriously suggesting that violence against homosexuals is a fault caused by the gay community itself? Jesus man thats low, thats the type of logic used to commit attrocites and justify racial attacks. It obviously has nothing to do with the fact that ignorent people, like yourself, have a problem with the way other people live and believe, usually due to some superourity complex, they have a right to hurt someone because they disagree with their lifestyle. To suggest that homosexuals bring on predijuce violence because they ' show off ' is so mind-numbingly stupid it almost beggars belief. So did black people in america bring on violence to themselves, because they showed off? Thats a very very dangerous logic you imply, a tyope of logic that has no place in a tolerant, peaceful and loving society.

Why dont you stop moaning over people being prosucuted because of using a plant? Just take your punishment, its your fault for showing off too much and flying to amsterdam. If you ever walk down the street wearing a legalize shirt, you should be beaten to within a inch of your life, because your showing off once again......

Of course prosucution for using cannabis is wrong, but claiming your rights are being down trodden while those who, just because they were born gay, are being beaten on the streets are not having their rights shat all over is plain stupidy. A right being dismissed in regards to a way a human being is born and pre-determend has precidence over a right of choice. There is no argument to that imo.

Fox news, like all mainstream media in usa and uk are brainwashing people.

No shit, im glad its by passed you and your views on homosexuality are logical well thought out fair and hummane.

Why is it you think that Gay people are not allowed to be wed? Is it because of religious teaching? As we all know Matthew 15:11 ' What goes into a mans mouth does not make him unclean.'

EDIT : thanks, im also optomistic about my gay studies, except if you are to rip into what i do, call it by its correct name. ' How the media presents and manipulates human rights.' study.

Very well said, Sir Niall! Narrow minded people are such a bore. Whatever happen to live and let live. Geez! Thank goodness not all people are as narrow-minded as beejun and that some places on earth dont share his homophobia. Like HERE. Peace to all people regardless of their sexual preference.

[beejun]

Someone against gay mariage isn't an homophobe.

puffin you're a joke.

[doobydave]

Why should the desire to remove one form of prejudice take precedence over another?

Edit - All prejudice is wrong. You cannot pick and chose without being prejudiced yourself.

[sh@dy]

Someone against gay mariage isn't an homophobe.

but you`re doing the same thing the bad bad politicians are doing to us. without us doing anything wrong they treat us like criminals and you also want to take away freedom from the gays, this is hypocrisy

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

Why should the desire to remove one form of prejudice take precedence over another?

Edit - All prejudice is wrong. You cannot pick and chose without being prejudiced yourself.

I can see your point Dave. But to investigate semantics here, predujice is the negative thought patterns based on a group of people because of your own personal viewpoints. Discrimination is the act of ' picking ' on someone because of your own viewpoints or opionions on them.

Predujice im not really talking about, as predujice is a hard thing to combat. Im more talking about discrimination. Now this may be un-popular, but cannabis use is a choice, you werent born with a joint in your hand. It was a choice you made, which in my view is a legitimate choice, but a choice none the less. Homosexuality is not a choice, it is a perfectly natural thing, it appears in other animals which proves homosexuality is a part of nature.

My argument is that when it comes to protecting the rights of people born a certain way, hold greater importance than those who choose a substance to use. Although i believe in the de-crimilisation of cannabis, i believe in the rights of human beings over it. The world has alot more pressing problems than the use odf cannabis. Although to those who use cannabis it may not seem like it at times.

Beejun, you call Puffin a joke? But why? You havent offered a single justification for your predujice viewpoints, you just churn them out like a right wing hate magazine does. How is someone who is against gay marriage not a homophobe? But for arguments sake i will agree with you, however would this not make you a homophobe

Gay bashing happen to those fags because they showing off too much

??????

I do not mean to attack you personaly, i just think that logic you imply to human beings actually haults the progression of society into a peaceful and better place to live.

DC - i can see what your saying about medical rights being important. But with Sativax ( sp? ) susposedly coming out onto the market in the later part of 2009. According the Medical MJ edition of Weed World. It seems that ball has already started. I also think alot of the people calling for the legalisation of weed are those who use it as a choice. Thats the group i was refering to, i didnt even consider what you suggested. But i still think i would choose human rights over a right to choose a substance, which could include the medical use of mj, as its a human right to be healthly.

So perhaps my statement would be better worded as, medical use of mj and gay rights are equal as they relate to fundamental human rights?

[sh@dy]

So perhaps my statement would be better worded as, medical use of mj and gay rights are equal as they relate to fundamental human rights?

I think we can agree on that

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

So perhaps my statement would be better worded as, medical use of mj and gay rights are equal as they relate to fundamental human rights?

I think we can agree on that

Cool man....

Fundamental human rights take precidence over rights of choice.

That does have a nice ring to it....

[tastywaves]

Ditto.
Pass the peace pipe.

[doobydave]

I can see your point Dave. But to investigate semantics here, predujice is the negative thought patterns based on a group of people because of your own personal viewpoints. Discrimination is the act of ' picking ' on someone because of your own viewpoints or opionions on them.

You see my point, but to investigate semantics here.........
OK then, let's.

You say that prejudice is 'negative though patterns'. Incorrect. One can have non-negative prejudices. Prejudice is merely the act of pre-judgement, which I believe always to be unhelpful. Discrimination too can be both positive and negative and therefore not directly related to 'picking on' people.

Perhaps you are trying to separate prejudicial opinions from the action of discrimination based upon those prejudices?

Predujice im not really talking about, as predujice is a hard thing to combat. Im more talking about discrimination. Now this may be un-popular, but cannabis use is a choice, you werent born with a joint in your hand. It was a choice you made, which in my view is a legitimate choice, but a choice none the less. Homosexuality is not a choice, it is a perfectly natural thing, it appears in other animals which proves homosexuality is a part of nature.

My argument is that when it comes to protecting the rights of people born a certain way, hold greater importance than those who choose a substance to use. Although i believe in the de-crimilisation of cannabis, i believe in the rights of human beings over it. The world has alot more pressing problems than the use odf cannabis. Although to those who use cannabis it may not seem like it at times.

I agree that prejudice is a harder thing to control than discrimination, but they are fundamentally linked.

You say drug use is a choice. I'd have to agree with you, but is it the same once one is dependent upon heroin for instance?
Religious faith is also a choice. Should believers have any less rights with regard to being discriminated against than black folk?

I'm not quite sure this issue of choice is relevant to whether the act of prejudice is a bad thing. I think you just like to disagree with me.

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

Nope not disagree with you man, just find it complexing....

I agree that discrimination can take on postive or negative aspects, but i was simply responding to your post..

Why should the desire to remove one form of prejudice take precedence over another?

Edit - All prejudice is wrong. You cannot pick and chose without being prejudiced yourself.

I was pointing out to you i was not talking about predujice, rather discrimination, in this context the proscution of cannabis users and the act of not allowing gay couples equal rights to straight couples. So i cannot see where your criticism of me failing to explain postive discrimination comes into it. I was simply pointing out to you i am not trying to talk about predujice, after all Beejun etc are entitled to their beliefs, however wrong i believe them to be, they are entitled to their beliefs. I am trying to say that firstly gay rights take precedence over the right to use cannabis when it comes to issues such as the right to be legally married ( because for some reason it means that the law is alot more favourable to them.) But secondly, when you say...

Why should the desire to remove one form of prejudice take precedence over another?

That i am not actually talking about prejudice. So although i may not have fully explored the word as much as i could, i would of thought by simply pointing out the semantic differences it would of been a clear way of explaining what i am talking about.

You say drug use is a choice. I'd have to agree with you, but is it the same once one is dependent upon heroin for instance?

Yes it is the same, otherwise you are removing personal responsibilty from choices. The answer is simple, if you choose to inject drugs into your body there are consequences, which come from your choice. Ill outline this in an example, if a man is put into A&E because he has been shot on the way home while at the same time a man is put into A&E because he injected Herion into his arm that was stronger than he thought it was and it messed him up. I believe the man who was shot, providing he wasnt involed in gangs etc and he was inoccently walking home when it happend, has a right to be treated first. Because that man did not make a choice to be shot, the man who injected heroin choose to do that, therefore the consequences of his actions he must face, which in this case manifest itself by coming second in this situation. Im not saying he is entitled to no rights etc, he should be treated with equal care and attention by the staff as anyone else. But i am saying he made a choice, somewhere along the lines with his drug use, which resulted in this situation. Is it fair that someone who caused damage to themselves is treated above someone who did not cause the damage to himself in this situation?

Should believers have any less rights with regard to being discriminated against than black folk?

Loaded question, i have never said anyone has less rights or more rights that anyone else, im simply saying some rights take precedence over others. Another example to your question would be if around the time of the civil right movement in the US, a religious sect came out and was also demmanding equal rights. Would you put the rights of the african american community over the rights of those believers, i would. Because they made a choice to join the sect, a person has no choice on their race in a pre-birth state.

I'm not quite sure this issue of choice is relevant to whether the act of prejudice is a bad thing

Yet again mis-interpreting my point of view. I am not saying that if discrimination is based on an indivitual making a choice then it is acceptable. I have never said discrimination is acceptable in any form( because i am talking about discrimination not predujice.) I would say the issue of choice is fundamental to the issue of discrimination. If the issue of choice has no relevance to discrimination, as your logic suggests, then mass murders should be free to walk the streets. After all mass murders are human, therefore they have human rights, one of which is to be free from discrimination. But they made a choice to murder people, this choice means they sacrafice their rights to freedom, which is why we put them in prision. I am not in any way saying that discrimination is acceptable against cannabis users but not for homosexuals. I am saying that homosexuals and cannabis users have equal rights, however homosexual rights at this present time in regards to gay marriage and gay couples rights, take precedence over the rights of someone to use cannabis, unless for medical reasons. Becuase homosexuality is a natural human state, where the locus of the state is not external but internal. Cannabis use is a choice.

I fear this debate is going to go massively away from my original point which is

Fundamental human rights take precidence over rights of choice.

Not that cannabis users have no rights, or that cannabis users suffer acceptable discrimination. As you seemed to suggest.

[beejun]

OOOOH poor lil fags, they can't marry, it is soooo unfair! They can live together, go to gay clubs, dress how they want, and find jobs, they re on tv and radio...
WTF man, Stop ur bullshit about gay rights, just coz they cant marry.
Talk about the weed situation, instead of crying like a bitch coz your people cant marry.

[Twichaldinho]

OOOOH poor lil fags, they can't marry, it is soooo unfair! They can live together, go to gay clubs, dress how they want, and find jobs, they re on tv and radio...
WTF man, Stop ur bullshit about gay rights, just coz they cant marry.
Talk about the weed situation, instead of crying like a bitch coz your people cant marry.

I demand an Ignore feature!!!

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

As TD puts it better than me...

What you must understand is that this is the best Weed site on the net, and the reason it is the best site is because we dont tolerate abuse here - instead we air our opinions in a manner which is logical and friendly

OOOOH poor lil fags, they can't marry, it is soooo unfair! They can live together, go to gay clubs, dress how they want, and find jobs, they re on tv and radio...
WTF man, Stop ur bullshit about gay rights, just coz they cant marry.
Talk about the weed situation, instead of crying like a bitch coz your people cant marry.

How dare they go to gay clubs, dress how they want and worst of all support themselves. WTF is wrong with society if its tolerant of all beliefs and lifestyles, lets bring back concentration camps eh?

A human right is happiness, love gives happiness, marriage is a symbolism of love, deneying that is deneying happiness therefore deneying a human right. How hard is that to understand? So is it bullshit or is it a logical progression? A progression similar to what is needed to fulfill a society which tolerant and peaceful.

Talk about weed? Im sure that my posts do contain information about weed, in fact, im pretty sure its something i discuss quite often on this forum. How about you, instead of

crying like a bitch

actually attend protests, or something. Instead of sitting at home in front of your laptop typing how passionate you are for the de-criminilization of cannabis?

You call me a bitch? I know someone who can make you a bitch....



Btw Beejun, im super, thanks for asking.

I think that our conservations are reaching a stalemate, well, if by stale mate we mean you havent actually stated any reasoning at all for your logic. So me and

my people

are gonna throw on some elton john, oil each other up and party all night long on a bank holiday evening. Because obviously im a flaming homosexual because i believe in equal rights.