I've been smoking for almost 20 years. I can eyeball a gram of weed, or an eighth, or an ounce if I had to. But if you're in the USA like I am, you pretty much never see hash. I wouldn't know the difference between 3.5 and 5.0 grams by look and feel. Yes, I make my own, and when I do, I've never weighed it. Maybe I made half a gram, maybe I made two grams, or five. I have no idea!
Give me some bud, and I can probably make a really good guess. Hash, not so much. I don't think it would be too hard for someone, even USBL to not be able to tell.
I also let my guard down a bit when on vacation, and when smoking it can get let down even more. The budtenders know this, and some may or may not decide to take advantage.
I gotta think that with the multiple reports of shady dealings, this is a place to watch and be careful not to get ripped off.
I also think the people defending the place and saying those who have something bad to say must have a vendetta need to stop and think for a moment - by defending them at all costs and not entertaining the thought that it might be possible, you're just the other side of the same coin. You weren't there, you didn't see the deal, yet you're positive it couldn't have happened.
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USbongLord
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Hunter
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Whilst I shouldn’t really take the bait, when the dexterity of argument is ‘Hunters can die’ etc, when presented with a clear falsehood its hard not to.
In all my time here I have never come across a dealer sealing a bag closed with a lighter. That was when my alarm bells started going off with this, when I read that our guy had supposedly done just that. Have you ever actually tried to burn one of those bags closed, in the way that you suggest? I can assure you it’s easier said than done. Maybe if we had heat sealing equipment behind the counter or something! A lighter just leaves things in a gooey mess. There is a reason we use snap bags.
And to not have batted an eyelid when you were served 1.5g less? Come on. Really.
We purposefully have a system here where the customer can see the exact weight on the scale as the dealer is working (though obviously we cannot make those customers look at it). The dealer is then reading the price direct from the screen, as may the customer should they choose.
Another reader here suggested we had diddled him out of about 30 euro’s of weed a while back. I was surprised to read this and asked him to contact me directly to give me more details so that I could investigate. To date I am still awaiting his contact.
My Dad used to work at a butchers shop. It was the regular pattern for somebody to ask for ‘X’ amount of lamb, beef, whatever. The butcher would cut or find a piece and then announce ‘it’s a bit over’ or ‘it’s a bit under, is that OK?’ Perfectly normal, acceptable behaviour. Yet it seems as a coffeeshop we are not afforded the same flexibility. Then folk complain when the boxes are full of shake. Of course they are if we are constantly having to pluck buds apart to make exact grams for every single customer. Same goes for the hash. That said, I take the French chaps point about not wanting the extra if it is shake and on that basis I have just personally spoken with Jose, the dealer in question, and asked him to try to always give buds. But, for the reason I previously stated, that’s sometimes harder than you think. I do know that he is in the habit of always showing the tray before saying ‘is 1.3 ok?’, for example.
The revelry with which others are willing to jump in and give us a proverbial kicking is kind of sad. But that’s human beings for you. My thanks to those with a little more balanced reason to offer.
Whilst I do believe in the old saying 'No smoke without fire', I'm struggling to find the source of ignition here.
In all my time here I have never come across a dealer sealing a bag closed with a lighter. That was when my alarm bells started going off with this, when I read that our guy had supposedly done just that. Have you ever actually tried to burn one of those bags closed, in the way that you suggest? I can assure you it’s easier said than done. Maybe if we had heat sealing equipment behind the counter or something! A lighter just leaves things in a gooey mess. There is a reason we use snap bags.
And to not have batted an eyelid when you were served 1.5g less? Come on. Really.
We purposefully have a system here where the customer can see the exact weight on the scale as the dealer is working (though obviously we cannot make those customers look at it). The dealer is then reading the price direct from the screen, as may the customer should they choose.
Another reader here suggested we had diddled him out of about 30 euro’s of weed a while back. I was surprised to read this and asked him to contact me directly to give me more details so that I could investigate. To date I am still awaiting his contact.
My Dad used to work at a butchers shop. It was the regular pattern for somebody to ask for ‘X’ amount of lamb, beef, whatever. The butcher would cut or find a piece and then announce ‘it’s a bit over’ or ‘it’s a bit under, is that OK?’ Perfectly normal, acceptable behaviour. Yet it seems as a coffeeshop we are not afforded the same flexibility. Then folk complain when the boxes are full of shake. Of course they are if we are constantly having to pluck buds apart to make exact grams for every single customer. Same goes for the hash. That said, I take the French chaps point about not wanting the extra if it is shake and on that basis I have just personally spoken with Jose, the dealer in question, and asked him to try to always give buds. But, for the reason I previously stated, that’s sometimes harder than you think. I do know that he is in the habit of always showing the tray before saying ‘is 1.3 ok?’, for example.
The revelry with which others are willing to jump in and give us a proverbial kicking is kind of sad. But that’s human beings for you. My thanks to those with a little more balanced reason to offer.
Whilst I do believe in the old saying 'No smoke without fire', I'm struggling to find the source of ignition here.
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Panog
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Thanks mate, but I can assure you he showed me a jar of NYCD full of nice buds and he didn't show me the tray while asking for the 1.6.Hunter wrote:That said, I take the French chaps point about not wanting the extra if it is shake and on that basis I have just personally spoken with Jose, the dealer in question, and asked him to try to always give buds. But, for the reason I previously stated, that’s sometimes harder than you think. I do know that he is in the habit of always showing the tray before saying ‘is 1.3 ok?’, for example.
But talking with him is a good thing mate, I hope the service (especially the morning one) will become soon as good as it was before, because Hunter's is one of my fave cs (never had bad weed here, even the NYCD shake was really good)
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carlazi
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Hunter: Your whole reply stinks of BS. Its obvious you don't care what your costumers findings are. I guess costumer service is not high in your priorities as a boss otherwise you would have said different things about the problem. I hope more people see this and think why should i bother spending my money there when there is a chance of being ripped off and the boss doesn't care.
Maybe one person is a BS'er but 4/5 bad reports and i start to see a trend in the findings. Obviously you profit from ripoffs so its probably best you defend your dodgy spanish budtender!
Maybe one person is a BS'er but 4/5 bad reports and i start to see a trend in the findings. Obviously you profit from ripoffs so its probably best you defend your dodgy spanish budtender!
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xXEXCALABERXx
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Its a trickyy one for sure, i mean bong has nothing to gain from lying and its not unimaginable that this could happen in any cs.
Bong was you charged for 5g or an eigth ? maybe he just didnt hear you correctly? maybe a mobile phone had interfeared with the scales? I say this as there could be a few honest mistakes where this happened and it appears your getting ripped off.
However it is not unimaginable that he shorted you deliberately as saw oppertunity where thought you were not likely to return which is a shame and if true id be sure he does it regularly so will come a cropper with it in the future.
I think theres been 2 accusations of this in one of longest threds on review boards which imo shows its not rife or common place at hunters but should also not be dismissed as impossible it would be nice to know that all the staff are made aware that if cought doing this then they will be punished as much as possiblel, I mean police wise, Its easier to get a job with a murder conviction than one for theft employee!!
Its a shame bong as they deffo have some of best weed in dam and im sure its not hunters policy to do this more a rouge dealer who is easily avoidable. Or fly me out when needed n ill go in for ya LOL
Bong was you charged for 5g or an eigth ? maybe he just didnt hear you correctly? maybe a mobile phone had interfeared with the scales? I say this as there could be a few honest mistakes where this happened and it appears your getting ripped off.
However it is not unimaginable that he shorted you deliberately as saw oppertunity where thought you were not likely to return which is a shame and if true id be sure he does it regularly so will come a cropper with it in the future.
I think theres been 2 accusations of this in one of longest threds on review boards which imo shows its not rife or common place at hunters but should also not be dismissed as impossible it would be nice to know that all the staff are made aware that if cought doing this then they will be punished as much as possiblel, I mean police wise, Its easier to get a job with a murder conviction than one for theft employee!!
Its a shame bong as they deffo have some of best weed in dam and im sure its not hunters policy to do this more a rouge dealer who is easily avoidable. Or fly me out when needed n ill go in for ya LOL
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wietroker
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What a crock of shit you've just spoken, internet hardman.carlazi wrote:Hunter: Your whole reply stinks of BS. Its obvious you don't care what your costumers findings are. I guess costumer service is not high in your priorities as a boss otherwise you would have said different things about the problem. I hope more people see this and think why should i bother spending my money there when there is a chance of being ripped off and the boss doesn't care.
Maybe one person is a BS'er but 4/5 bad reports and i start to see a trend in the findings. Obviously you profit from ripoffs so its probably best you defend your dodgy spanish budtender!
Personally I think Hunter has handled it the best that he can. Some bullshit comments that are highly suspect that Hunter cannot disprove. Some genuine comments where feedback here has been helpful and some measures taken. Feedback is taken on board and he speaks to his staff.
What more else do you want him to do? Come on, pray tell.
The feedback is one person's word against another. Here's a way to sort it out once and for all. Next time someone has a genuine complaint, instead of waiting 2 weeks and then posting on here, why not take it up with the management there and then? Like you would do in any other establishment. Then report back here.
When you don't raise an issue immediately, then frankly the most likely thing that happened is that the complainer was too stoned to realise their own fuck-ups. Not all cases, but many I would expect.
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smokseyj
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i appreciate that hunter took time to comment on the thread...
As i said, i have never found my draw to be under weight from here, but ive never re-weighed it.
But the budtender did make me feel like he was doing ME a favour by giving me a gram that i asked for instead of a bigger bud....Its selling, i understand, but don't make me feel like im being a nuisance by asking for a gram.
Although i said the reviews make me doubt going back there, i will be back in there because the group i go with like it there. I'll give it a full review when i'm back.
But as it stands my only problem, from my experience, is the spanish bud tender who doesn't make you feel comfortable at all, im not the only one to say that, and by the sounds of it nothing has changed with his service.
As i said, i have never found my draw to be under weight from here, but ive never re-weighed it.
But the budtender did make me feel like he was doing ME a favour by giving me a gram that i asked for instead of a bigger bud....Its selling, i understand, but don't make me feel like im being a nuisance by asking for a gram.
Although i said the reviews make me doubt going back there, i will be back in there because the group i go with like it there. I'll give it a full review when i'm back.
But as it stands my only problem, from my experience, is the spanish bud tender who doesn't make you feel comfortable at all, im not the only one to say that, and by the sounds of it nothing has changed with his service.
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USbongLord
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thank you for commenting hunter...now that thats said...ill still pass..yer shit aint worth being upset for and ill save ya any hassles by avoiding your shop ...i will continue to advise people to really check their purchases as this clown budtender is a ripoff artist to the extreme...and he charged me for 5 grams..so enjoy my money hunters..its the last from me at least..im sure youll live without me as i will you...good luck
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carlazi
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That's your opinion Wiet and I applaud your right to make it. I expressed my opinion without resorting to insults. Perhaps you could learn to express opinions without resorting to insults in the future.
I still hate the place and would never recommend it to anyone due the rude service i once got there.
I still hate the place and would never recommend it to anyone due the rude service i once got there.
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NicolasL
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I went there three times on my last trip a week ago, because it was close to the apartment we were renting.
It was ok the first time, again it was ok the second time.
We decided to go to Hunters on our way to go to the Centraal Station, on our last day. And this time, the spanish budtender was working. I asked for two grams. '2.5g is it ok?' He is the only budtender who did this and its not like if it was a big bud he didnt want to break.
I said ok because i didnt care much, plenty of money left, whatever.
But, it seemed to be a little underweighed.
Plus, we chose Amnesia Haze, and it wasnt good...at all. Compared to the one in Papillon, well i cant even compare
We smoked one joint of this and threw it away. Worst smoke of the trip by far.
(Their Big Buddha Cheese and Himalayan Cream were nice by the way! And the lady budtender was very friendly the first time we went in!)
Dont get me wrong, im not really complaining, it was the last day, last smoke before leaving... But im sharing my experience there.
Overall i think its a nice coffeeshop, when this guy is not working.
It was ok the first time, again it was ok the second time.
We decided to go to Hunters on our way to go to the Centraal Station, on our last day. And this time, the spanish budtender was working. I asked for two grams. '2.5g is it ok?' He is the only budtender who did this and its not like if it was a big bud he didnt want to break.
I said ok because i didnt care much, plenty of money left, whatever.
But, it seemed to be a little underweighed.
Plus, we chose Amnesia Haze, and it wasnt good...at all. Compared to the one in Papillon, well i cant even compare
We smoked one joint of this and threw it away. Worst smoke of the trip by far.(Their Big Buddha Cheese and Himalayan Cream were nice by the way! And the lady budtender was very friendly the first time we went in!)
Dont get me wrong, im not really complaining, it was the last day, last smoke before leaving... But im sharing my experience there.
Overall i think its a nice coffeeshop, when this guy is not working.
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True Playa
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Old Timer
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Hunter,
Why don't you show this thread to the budtender everyone is mentioning?
It can't be a bad thing for you that your staff will know that if they misbehave, it's likely that you'll find out about it one way or another.
I have never met him, but why would numerous people complain for no reason?
I have got to know the bald/short haired (can't remember which) Dutch guy who works early (7am) on my last few visits as I'm an early riser, and although he's friendly, he always asks if 1.6, or 1.7 is ok even though I asked for a gram.
It's blatantly obvious that it's a sales tactic (yours as policy, or his own, I don't know), but there is no mistaking it.
A lot of businesses that weigh things for their customers, do the same.
I sure he realizes that I'm older than most of your customers, and might well be able to tell that my budget is probably larger that most of the younger customers.
But I must say that it leaves a bad taste in my mouth every time.
I know that I could say, no, I just want a gram, but I don't care about the extra money (I do get more for the extra money, at least I hope I do).
Because of that, I only visit your shop between 7-8am, when no others are open near to where I stay.
If I didn't get that bad taste in my mouth, I would spend a lot more time, and therefore, a lot more money in your shop.
Unfortunately, I'm sure that it pays you more in the long run the way it is,
even though you might loose some forum members as customers.
Why don't you show this thread to the budtender everyone is mentioning?
It can't be a bad thing for you that your staff will know that if they misbehave, it's likely that you'll find out about it one way or another.
I have never met him, but why would numerous people complain for no reason?
I have got to know the bald/short haired (can't remember which) Dutch guy who works early (7am) on my last few visits as I'm an early riser, and although he's friendly, he always asks if 1.6, or 1.7 is ok even though I asked for a gram.
It's blatantly obvious that it's a sales tactic (yours as policy, or his own, I don't know), but there is no mistaking it.
A lot of businesses that weigh things for their customers, do the same.
I sure he realizes that I'm older than most of your customers, and might well be able to tell that my budget is probably larger that most of the younger customers.
But I must say that it leaves a bad taste in my mouth every time.
I know that I could say, no, I just want a gram, but I don't care about the extra money (I do get more for the extra money, at least I hope I do).
Because of that, I only visit your shop between 7-8am, when no others are open near to where I stay.
If I didn't get that bad taste in my mouth, I would spend a lot more time, and therefore, a lot more money in your shop.
Unfortunately, I'm sure that it pays you more in the long run the way it is,
even though you might loose some forum members as customers.